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121#
发表于 5-8-2009 09:06:24 | 只看该作者
所以摩托车很多事情不是自己可以控制的, 天天都那么过的,就是有一天不行了.  所以要格外小心.
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122#
发表于 5-8-2009 20:31:17 | 只看该作者

没错 现在的motogp and superbike在转弯时都利用drifting,惊险刺激!

前刹 后甩 侧压 一通忙乎,

弄不好,就连滚带爬 人仰马翻了

上周rossi又翻车了!他的转弯最惊险了

但是 ,好看
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123#
发表于 5-8-2009 20:37:43 | 只看该作者
还有一点就是 轮距 和座高

cruiser的轮距 要比sport长很多  
                  座高要            低很多

大大增加了稳定性

设想 如一个cruiser不小心水平侧甩 了45度  垂直偏了20度

在sports上的情况会是什么?
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124#
发表于 5-8-2009 20:40:57 | 只看该作者
同理,在scooter上又会怎么样?

这就是我说scooter更危险的原因
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125#
发表于 5-8-2009 21:05:48 | 只看该作者
原帖由 tigerdorr 于 5/8/2009 20:37 发表
还有一点就是 轮距 和座高

cruiser的轮距 要比sport长很多  
                  座高要            低很多

大大增加了稳定性

设想 如一个cruiser不小心水平侧甩 了45度  垂直偏了20度

在sports上的情况 ...

能不能牢烦说详细点?
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126#
发表于 5-8-2009 22:03:28 | 只看该作者
让我瞎说一下,
                          劫后余生时自己瞎想的
                                                                        见笑了

设想重量相似 速度相同 轮胎相同 的cruiser 和 sport 各一辆

在我出危险的的坡上 做同一动作 即在湿滑路面上 微微加油门

如果 后胎 都在 瞬间相对前轮前进方向,向水平右方侧滑300mm                        600mm
相对于1600mm轮距的cruiser 应该是tan(α)=3/16 角度大约是11度              tan(a)=6/16 角度大约是21度
             1200mm           sport                                   3/12                      15度                          6/12                     27度

由此导致,骑手+车的重心高度对车 相对地面角度会发生更大的变化差距
                                                                                                                                 重心越高角度越大

                                                                                       分别会有20               到                                         30度
瞬间偏移

                如果骑手不能在这一瞬间做出正确的调整动作 也就是drifing
      
结果就可能等同于车子转弯了,人没转

这个角度差别越大 越有可能出事故
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127#
发表于 5-8-2009 22:05:59 | 只看该作者
不知道是说糊涂了,还是说明白了,
我是心里明白 写出来就太难为我了
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128#
发表于 6-8-2009 00:50:15 | 只看该作者
应该是更糊涂了 ~ 反正我是看傻了~
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129#
 楼主| 发表于 6-8-2009 02:16:55 | 只看该作者
TIGERDORR 想说的意思,大概就是~摩托重心和倾斜角度有影响,是吧?
不过,我们看一下SUPERMOTAR的车子,重心都很高阿!
大多是越野车,缩短一点(1-2吋)减震行程,但是骑士的重心仍旧远高於一般街车和CRUISER----
CRUISER较难在DRIFT的状态下回复的原因,个人是觉得在於骑士的身体自由度低,整个屁股深埋在坐垫墙,
造成重心无法轻易转移,导致无法藉由灵活移动重心来控制车辆,所以~
CRUISER打滑感觉会比街车或越野或MOTAR来得恐怖许多!
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130#
发表于 6-8-2009 20:04:26 | 只看该作者
大家一笑了之吧,总之是没说清

我个人的意见是在城市环境中 cruiser要远远比sport安全!
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131#
发表于 6-8-2009 20:06:21 | 只看该作者
另外在我找到的 做过警车用的摩托车中

1升以下的 我觉得vfr比较好

1升以上的经济上考虑不了
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132#
发表于 6-8-2009 20:16:08 | 只看该作者
相信警用车 应该是比较好的all-around motorcycle
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133#
发表于 6-8-2009 20:43:28 | 只看该作者
check this out this

http://www.acpr.gov.au/pdf/Motorcycles1.pdf

Australasian Centre for Policing Research
National Specifications for a General Duty Police Motorcycle

1. Function
The motorcycles should be highly manoeuvrable in a metropolitan
environment. They should have a small turning circle and be easy to park
and remove from the parking stand(s). The motorcycle should be highly
reliable in stop-start traffic situations. The motorcycle is required to carry
the police equipment stated in this specification.
2. Registration
The motorcycle shall be capable of being registered for on-road use within
all States and Territories of Australia.
3. Regulations
(Mandatory
requirement)
The motorcycle, when fitted with the equipment listed in this specification,
shall conform in all respects with the current State and Federal Road
Traffic Act Regulations as outlined in ADR (Australian Design Rules).
4. Performance
The motorcycles offered should be capable of speeds of at least 140km/h
for both long and short periods, while carrying a rider of not less than 90kg
and bearing full police trim. The motorcycle will be ridden on all types of
road surfaces sealed and unsealed and under all weather conditions.
5. Acceleration
The motorcycle offered should be capable of reaching the minimum
acceleration times listed below while carrying a rider weighing not less than
90kg and bearing full police trim and equipment (torch, files, batons etc) as
offered.
• 0 – 80 kph in 4 seconds
• 80 – 140 kph in 6 seconds
• Standing 400m in 13.5 seconds
6. Engine (Mandatory
requirement)
A four-stroke engine with a displacement of at least 749 cc shall be fitted to
the motorcycle.
7. Transmission
(Mandatory
requirement)
The motorcycle shall be fitted with a minimum of 5 forward gears that are
suitable for Police duties from slow speed patrol work through to high
speed pursuit. Slow speeds are speeds of about 3-5km/h.
8. Stands (Mandatory
requirement)
Side stand and centre stand shall be provided with sufficient base area to
support bike on bituminous surface in extreme heat conditions. The
motorcycle shall incorporate either a warning indicator or a safety switch
preventing the Motorcycle starting with the stand down.
9. Full Fairing
Motor Cycle should be supplied with a Full Fairing. The fairing should
provide wind and rain protection for both the upper and lower body.
It is desirable to have at least one lockable storage compartment located in
the front fairing.
10. Frame / Suspension
This should be a sprung frame incorporating heavy-duty adjustable rear
suspension exhibiting high performance handling qualities capable of
accepting the additional load requirements of the police equipment and
possessing good manoeuvrability at low speeds.
11. Handlebars
Handlebars should provide easy access to controls without the rider having
to move their hands from the handlebars and should provide the rider with
a comfortable riding position for continuos riding.
Adjustable handlebars are a desirable feature.
Heated handgrips are the preferred option.
12. Solo saddle
A heavy duty solo saddle that provides comfort for the rider for continuous
riding should be supplied.
    Page 3 of 5
13. Braking System
Anti-Lock Braking System partially integrated, or functional equivalent,
which incorporates shielding against Radio Frequency interference should
be provided. The expected life of brake pads should be at least 10,000kms
and made of non-asbestos material.
14. Final Drive
Low maintenance enclosed rear drive shaft should be provided, but a chain
drive may be considered.
15. Tyres / Wheels
The motorcycle should be equipped with magnesium alloy wheels or
similar with tyres rated for high-speed use.
16. Mirrors
Left and right hand rear vision mirrors with robust mounting to eliminate
movement due to vibration should be provided.
17. Turn Indicators
Turn indicators should provide visible warning to rider. Self-cancelling and
audible warning indicators should be provided as an option.
18. Instrumentation
The motorcycle should be offered with full instrumentation including fuel
and temperature gauges, tachometer, speedometer and a range of
appropriate warning lights and or gauges.
19. Speedometer
A speedometer, analogue with calibrations in two km/h increments or
digital with calibrations of 1 km/h increments, should be provided. The
speedometer should have an accuracy tolerance within plus or minus 2
km/h at 100 km/h and 60 km/h. The readings from the speedometer should
be able to be read without any eye-strain for the rider.
20. Headlamp
Quartz halogen headlamp with a minimum output of 65/100 watts should
be provided and shall not contravene any existing or future ADR
(Australian Design Rule). Parking lamps should be integrated with the
headlamp unit.
21. Hazard Lights
Hazard lights - four way amber flashers should be provided.
22. Ignition Switch
The motorcycle should have a steering lock that operates when the key is
removed. An accessory position on the ignition switch should be capable of
supplying power to the park lights, revolving dome light and hazard lights
with the keys removed. With the key removed the bike shall not be able
to be started (so as not to contravene ADR’s).
23. Exposed Fittings
All exposed or protruding pipes, instruments, gauges and switches that are
subject to damage during normal handling should be properly protected.
24. Engine Idle
Overheating should not occur due to prolonged idling or patrolling in
congested traffic conditions. Manufacturer shall state the length of time the
motorcycle can idle safely with all emergency lights and police radios
operating.
25. Battery
The motorcycle should be fitted with low maintenance battery/ies.
Where two batteries are installed the main battery should be connected to
the motorcycle controls and the other to the emergency equipment.
26. Charging System
The charging system should be able to maintain an adequate state of
battery charge taking into account that the motorcycle will occasionally be
required to remain stationary for periods up to 2 hours with all Emergency
Lights, Head Light (low beam) and Police Communications equipment
operating simultaneously.
27. Fuel Tank
The fuel tank should be capable of carrying adequate fuel for a range of at
least 300kms.
    Page 4 of 5
28. Front & Rear Crash
Bars
Front & Rear crash bars may be provided with rear crash bar providing
protection for side panniers if fitted.
29. Windshield
Windshield assembly, frame mounted - touring screen or similar, as
recommended by the supplier may be provided. Electrically adjustable
windshield is preferred.
30. Pannier Cases
Pannier Cases - approximately 35 litres each, white in colour, of a size and
type recommended by the supplier should be provided. The panniers are
to be of robust construction, waterproof, lockable and removable.
If panniers are side opening, there shall be an inner wall to prevent any
equipment that may be installed from falling out
31. Siren System
An electronic Siren System in the motorcycle shall be required to have a
minimum output of 110 db when measured at 3 meters. Siren system may
be supplied with single or dual speakers. It should emit a wail/heehaw tone
or similar.
32. Top Storage Box
The motorcycle shall be fitted with a Top Storage Box positioned at the
rear of the motorcycle and have the capability of housing two Police
Radios.
The minimum dimensions for the top storage box are 400 mm by 450 mm
by 300 mm.
33. Map Light
(preferred option)
A light should be incorporated in the dash to allow visibility at night for the
reading of various documentation and maps.
34. Emergency Lights ,
Siren System and
Horn Control Switch
The Emergency lights and Siren system Control Switch shall be activated
in two ways:
• Front and Rear Emergency lights only and
• Front and Rear Emergency lights and Siren system together.
Switches should be positioned so that they can be operated without the
rider having to lift the hand from the handle bars. The standard vehicle
horn shall remain fitted and shall operate from a separate circuit and
control button. The front and rear emergency lights should be wired so that
they can operate with the ignition key removed.
35. Front Emergency
Lights
Front Emergency flashing lights shall be installed at the front near-side and
off-side corners of the motor cycle. Front Emergency lights and/or lens
shall have the capacity to be fitted on the near-side or off-side of the fairing
as desired.
36. Rear Emergency
Light
Rear Emergency light to be blue in colour and mounted on a telescopic
pole fitted to the rear off-side corner of the motorcycle. Telescopic pole
shall be of such a height that it is visible from all directions when raised.
High performance strobe type lighting is preferred.
37. Colour
The standard motorcycle paintwork shall be white unless otherwise
specified.
38. Warranty
A minimum two-year unlimited kilometres warranty shall be provided on all
manufacturer’s equipment.
39. Electromagnetic
Radiation
All electrical / electronic systems fitted to the motorcycles shall not cause
interference to police radios and other specialty items and conversely
cannot be manipulated by police items.
    Page 5 of 5
40. Manuals and Tools
The following manuals and toolkit shall be supplied at time of delivery:
• One operator’s manual with each motorcycle
• Servicing charts / booklet for each motorcycle showing service
points and lubrication intervals.
Motorcycle repair tool kit to enable basic repairs to be undertaken.

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134#
 楼主| 发表于 6-8-2009 23:18:57 | 只看该作者

回复 #133 tigerdorr 的帖子

那----TIGER知不知道,澳洲曾经徵用了哪一些车做警用摩托?
近十年内的就好~
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135#
发表于 7-8-2009 19:15:45 | 只看该作者
有一点是肯定的, 大多数是一升以上的
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136#
发表于 7-8-2009 19:18:54 | 只看该作者
我还是不考虑1升以上的车
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137#
发表于 7-8-2009 19:19:42 | 只看该作者
在日本有用vfr做警车的,你上youtube看看,性能还是不错的
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138#
 楼主| 发表于 14-8-2009 01:00:56 | 只看该作者
看了一些车,发现其实---CRUISER还好像适合~老人家的!
尤其是SHADOW经济实惠,不知道各位知否在PERTH可以租到这台车?
总不能连骑过都没有,就跑去买车吧!
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139#
发表于 14-8-2009 12:44:32 | 只看该作者
跑去TEST RIDE就可以了.

警车不超过一升, 怎么有马力追V8呢. 相反, 中国250足够了. V12也开不快
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140#
发表于 14-8-2009 23:14:43 | 只看该作者
说的是真事,有人叫那种警车 “狗骑兔子”
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141#
发表于 14-8-2009 23:18:50 | 只看该作者
原帖由 西澳瓶鼻海豚 于 14-8-2009 01:00 发表
看了一些车,发现其实---CRUISER还好像适合~老人家的!
尤其是SHADOW经济实惠,不知道各位知否在PERTH可以租到这台车?
总不能连骑过都没有,就跑去买车吧!


支持,支持!

我给HONDA网站发了一邮件 问哪可以试骑?他们给我回电说在frankston一个很远的地方的dealer,我还没去呢。

还有一些dealer的used bike可以让你试骑

你可以试试,祝一切顺利
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142#
发表于 14-8-2009 23:20:45 | 只看该作者
租,不好租。试骑可以,但最好有full license
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 楼主| 发表于 15-8-2009 00:43:26 | 只看该作者
原帖由 tigerdorr 于 14-8-2009 23:20 发表
租,不好租。试骑可以,但最好有full license


我才刚考过250阿~
那不就要一年後----
昏~
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144#
发表于 15-8-2009 09:25:19 | 只看该作者
原帖由 西澳瓶鼻海豚 于 15/8/2009 00:43 发表


我才刚考过250阿~
那不就要一年後----
昏~

这个肯定的,  试骑也要合法啊.  如果你摔了,那车就是你的了. 上次就听说一个朋友试骑BMW还摔了, 结果在医院呆了半年还要掏钱买车.
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145#
发表于 15-8-2009 14:45:39 | 只看该作者
我上次试骑的时候,还要签一个证明书,说 如果出事故一切自己负责。

不过,你也可以约私人的车试骑

一定要注意路况的选择 最好从250cc开始试骑
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146#
发表于 15-8-2009 18:31:10 | 只看该作者
是,我从650 跳到1300的时候, 怕啊. 第一天开车跟没学过车一样,感觉太不一样了.   如果没有大排量的经验, 许多地方根本不让你骑.
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147#
发表于 15-8-2009 20:58:20 | 只看该作者
是这样啊!?
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148#
发表于 15-8-2009 23:18:36 | 只看该作者
原帖由 tigerdorr 于 15/8/2009 20:58 发表
是这样啊!?

你老开个一点几的,突然给你开V8,你觉得一样吗, 汽车也仅仅是油门不一样. 摩托车控制油门的手可不象脚那么好使. 更别说平衡感了.
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149#
发表于 17-8-2009 08:30:19 | 只看该作者
我第一次买车回来时,叫了一个朋友一路开车在我后边跟着。

这叫压阵啊,太管用了!

他要照顾我啊。他知道我的路线,所以我没打转向灯,忘记关转向灯,他都知道。

多慢他顶着!

就听后边其它的车冲我朋友按喇叭了。
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 楼主| 发表于 17-8-2009 19:48:01 | 只看该作者
原帖由 tigerdorr 于 17-8-2009 08:30 发表
我第一次买车回来时,叫了一个朋友一路开车在我后边跟着。

这叫压阵啊,太管用了!

他要照顾我啊。他知道我的路线,所以我没打转向灯,忘记关转向灯,他都知道。

多慢他顶着!

就听后边其它的车冲我朋友 ...


你朋友不错阿~
听起来像是我在练车时候,教练做的事情。
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